Topic: WHAT SPANISH CATHOLIC BROUGHT TO THE PHILIPPINES. (Read 1694 times)

03-04-19 10:15 PM
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❝THE VATICAN DARK SECRETS❞

(WARNING: Sa lahat ng readers at silent readers be open-minded, hindi ko balak sirain ang paniniwala niyo marami na kasing evidence na naglipana, oras na para gumising. So here we go!)

➦Ang Vatican City sa Southern Europe ang pinakamaliit na country sa mundo, mga italyano sila at ang religion nila ay Roman Catholicism, ang government naman nila ay tinatawag na "absolute monarchy" na ang head ay ang "Pope", at ang tawag sa police corps nila ay "Swiss Guard" na responsible sa security, public order pati ang traffic control.

➠Ito rin ay kilala bilang isang bansang malakas ang pananampalataya sa Diyos.Vatican City is itself of great cultural significance. Ang kanilang straktura o buildings ang kilalang chapel na St. Peter's chapel at Sistine chapel ay matatagpuan din doon. Napaka historical ng mga bagay na nakasilid sa Vatican's library o kahit sa museums ang mga famous art na gawa nila Bernini, Michaelangelo, Botticelli etc.

Pero alam mo ba na ang bansang ito ay maraming itanatagong karumal dumal na gawain?

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➤THE DARK SECRETS OF THE VATICAN
NAZI-FRIENDLY PRIEST.

➠ Pinaniniwalaan na ang ibang mga Bishops at priests ay nag-organize ng escape plan at tumulong para makatakas ang mga high-ranking Nazis noong WWII.

➠ Bishop Alois Hudal at Priest Krunoslav (mga pro-Nazi) ay nagsalita ukol sa pakikipagsabwatan sa mga Nazi official.

➤PEDOPHILE, SEX SCANDALS, GAY NETWORKS AND HOMOSEXUALITY

➠Marami ng issues at scandals ang nababalita sa Vatican, sex scandals, gay priests na actively na nakikipag sexual intercourse (kahit bawal sa batas nila), pinagtatakpan pa nila ito at inilalayo ang totoong nangyari sa kasinungalinan.

【1】➣ Vatican members Angelo Balducci (Engineer at construction consultant ng Vatican) at Ghinedu Ehiem (Ceremonial Officer) ay nadawit sa pedophile scandal, at pinaniniwalaan din na dahil dito ay nag-resign si Pope Benedict.

【2】➣ Si Pope Francis ay kasama din sa na gawain called "satanic child sacrifice" while acting as an Argentine priest and Bishop, may ni-rape din siya na dalawang teenager while participating in child sacrifices, at meron pang walong eyewitnesses at nakumpirma ang alegasyon according sa ebidensyang iprinisinta sa Brussels Common Law Court of Justice.

➤MAFIA LINKS

➠At the time na ang simbahan ay hindi pa friend ang Italian state naghanap sila ng sources for local authority at ang Mafia ang fit para dito, nag-resulta ito ng pagkabulag ng mga pari sa maling ginagawa ng Mafia community hanggang sa kasalukuyan.

➤BABY THEFT

➠Dahil kasabwat karamihan ng Vatican ang mga Spanish hospitals, ang mga Nuns, priests, doctors at nurses ay nakikipagsabwatan para magnakaw ng mahigit 300,000 Spanish babies over the course of five decades, dahil nga ang nagpapatakbo nito ay ang kanilang simbahan.

➤PAANO NILA GINAGAWA ITO?

【Method 1】Ang mga nanay na nanganganak ng sanggol ay sinasabihan pakunwari na namatay na ito pagkalabas pero pinalitan na talaga nila ito ng patay na baby, dito ay iniipon nila ito at sinasakripisyo sa satanic ritual para higupin ang energy ng iyak ng baby sa sobrang sakit (like a vampire drinking blood).

【Method 2】 Pagbili ng mga baby sa mga magulang kapalit ng malaking pera.

**Sister Maria Gomez (Nuns) ang isa sa naakusahan sa gumagawa nito.

➤ANO ANG GINAGAWA NILA SA BABY?

➠ Minomolestya (rape) at sinasakripisyo(kill)­ nila ito para sa Satanistic o demonic ritual.
**Sa Anunnaki culture nanggaling ang "Satanism ritual sacrifice", at ito panigurado ang religion ng Vatican (secret religion).

➤CHILD ABUSE

➠Ang Latin document, signed by Pope John XXIII in 1962, proves that ang sexual abuse ay may katotohanan at ang nagiging biktima ay pinatatahimik, kapag pumalag ang biktima ay tatanggalin sa serbisyo at pakikipag-participat­e sa simbahan.
**Kasama si Pope Benedict at Pope Francis sa cover-up about sa Child Abuse issues.

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TRUTH HURTS..

➤FACT:

Ang pinakamayamang organization sa planeta ay ang Roman Catholic Church na kaya nang pakainin, damitan at bigyan ng tirahan ang buong planeta, pero nanghihingi parin sila ng church support or abuloy ng 10 - 20% ng savings ng mga tao...

Pero bakit kaya maraming pa ring mahihirap na tao...?
Sinasadya ba nila ito...

The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery.

(Papal Bulls of 1495 & 1493)
The Pope has ordered the genocide and enslavement of millions of people. (Papal Bulls of 1455 & 1493)

Catholicism at witchcraft ay parehas lang sa paniniwala like praying in statues, altar, chalice, colored candles, belief in the five elements and purgatory, using incense and bells in the ceremony.

From: DWFA GROUP
By: Ac Aihara
-Tilapia101

#JESUS SAVES!
#END CORRUPTION AND CRIMES!!!

-BAPTIST/­EVANGELICAL PH.
(CONSERVATIVE PINOY PARTY).
"JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN! ANG DIYOS AY ESPIRITU HINDI REBULTO! NO TO CORRUPTION AND CRIME! PILIPINAS SA PAGBABAGO!" -BAPTIST CH. PH.

03-05-19 02:27 PM
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sayang yung post nung nasa taas ko :(   puro hearsay walang living proof yung hindi galing sa page nang mga gusto sumira sa katoliko  hayss . ang haba ng post pero sayang

03-05-19 06:46 PM
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03-10-19 12:44 PM
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DRUGS PA MORE...

#FACTS!

POPE AND CHURCH KILLING CHRISTIAN MINORITIES... INNOCENT PEOPLE AND ACCUSE OF WITCHCRAFT WITHOUT FAIR TRIAL...

THOSE ARE REAL EVENTS AND THE SEXUAL ABUSE NA MAS MALAWAK AT BALITANG BALITA... IS THAT WHAT CATHOLICISM PRIEST ARE???
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03-11-19 02:51 PM
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sayang yung effort nya talaga . naghanap pa sya ng picture para makapanloko ..  sa mga porn movies nga ginagawa din magsuot ng kunwareng pari at madre e. hayss nakakaawa naman yung sinasaniban nitong nasa taas ko .  :(

03-11-19 06:32 PM
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sayang yung effort nya talaga . naghanap pa sya ng picture para makapanloko ..  sa mga porn movies nga ginagawa din magsuot ng kunwareng pari at madre e. hayss nakakaawa naman yung sinasaniban nitong nasa taas ko .  :(
yun oh sapol

03-12-19 04:57 PM
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Nasa news yan kahit di ko gawan ng edited nangyari yan sa history at reality eh kayong mga buang na nagtatakip sa pari di bulag kayo sa katotohanan at tinakda na sa impyerno kasama ng mga pinaniniwalaan at sinusunod niyo.

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03-12-19 06:23 PM
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kakaawa talaga ang nasa taas ko .

ganto yan ,

sabihin natin nasa news nga at totoo , eh ano naman ?

isang pari papaapekto ang ibang katoliko ? sya ba ay Diyos ? na kapag nagkamali mali na lahat ng katoliko . sya gumawa nyan sya may problema dyan . wag mo itulad ang ibang matitinong katoliko . sa nabasa mo

dahil iba yan at iba kami .




kaawa awa ang tinuturo sa inaaniban mo . nawawalan ka na ng common sense at tamang pagtitimbang sa pagiging patas at hindi patas na tingin sa bawat isang tao .

para kang yung teacher ko ng elementary .

ganto ba ang Diyos mo ?
"Ang mali ng isa , Mali ng lahat ?"

wala palang puso ang Diyos na tinuturo ng religion mo .

dun padin ako sa Diyos na kahit madami bumabato ,

patas padin ang kinikilala naming Diyos

naawa talaga ako sa religion mo :(
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03-13-19 10:17 AM
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kakaawa talaga ang nasa taas ko .

ganto yan ,

sabihin natin nasa news nga at totoo , eh ano naman ?

isang pari papaapekto ang ibang katoliko ? sya ba ay Diyos ? na kapag nagkamali mali na lahat ng katoliko . sya gumawa nyan sya may problema dyan . wag mo itulad ang ibang matitinong katoliko . sa nabasa mo

dahil iba yan at iba kami .




kaawa awa ang tinuturo sa inaaniban mo . nawawalan ka na ng common sense at tamang pagtitimbang sa pagiging patas at hindi patas na tingin sa bawat isang tao .

para kang yung teacher ko ng elementary .

ganto ba ang Diyos mo ?
"Ang mali ng isa , Mali ng lahat ?"

wala palang puso ang Diyos na tinuturo ng religion mo .

dun padin ako sa Diyos na kahit madami bumabato ,

patas padin ang kinikilala naming Diyos

naawa talaga ako sa religion mo :(
saan yung like nito elalike kita

03-13-19 02:09 PM
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IBA KAYO AT IBA SILA SO HINDI SILA KATOL LIKO?Ang mga mangmang na katoliko ay patuloy sumusunod sa mga maling aral.

Kala ko ba one catholic spirit? Ano ito di ba ang tunay na turo ay makikita sa bunga?

80% sinasabi ng iba na katoliko ang pilipinas and why nakikita natin na MARAMING LASENGGO, BABAERO, KRIMINAL, CORRUPT, SUGAL, PROSTITUTION, ISAMA MO NA MGA BAKLA AT TSIMOSO.

Eto ba ang tinuro ng mga Pari since then o baka sila mismo gumagawa nito at nagmamalinis?

We can see that our nation was in poverty and many calamities hindi ka ba nagtataka??? O BAKA PATULOY LANG KAYONG NAGBUBULAG BULAGAN O NAGBIBINGIBINGIHIN.

I dont care if you accept this truth or not but for sure mananagot lahat sa Diyos at di ka iligtas ng respeto at kamangmangan tanging si Kristo lamang.

Kung talagang naniniwala ka sa Diyos dapat naniniwala ka rin sa Salita Niya hindi ka one sided kita mo ng maraming maling aral o turo oo ka pa rin ng oo.

Tapos magagalit ka kasi sinasabi lang ang katotohanan na nakikita naman sa realidad.

IKA NGA KUNG WALANG APOY WALANG USOK.

Kaya nga tayo binigyan ng Diyos ng utak para gamitin eh kung wala rin silbi ipakain nalang sa buhay o gawing pataba sa lupa para may pakinabang.
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03-13-19 02:36 PM
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hay nakakaawa ka talaga brader,

nakakatakot ang Diyos mo .

unang kalokohan mo
nagpopost ka ng nakasuot na PARI na nagdadrugs na wala naman proof na talagang pari yan . 
pangalawang kalokohan mo , ang pinost mong link ay patunkol sa sexually abused na priest hindi tungkol sa nasa picture na nagdadrugs ..

so ano yang pinopost mong picture na nagdadrugs ?
yan ba ang tinuturo sa inyo ?

pangdemonyo naman pala ang layunin ng religion mo . manloko ng tao para may umanib

IBA SILA , IBA KAMI

hindi yan patunkol sa religion .
kundi patunkol yan sa kasalanan na ginawa ng isa .

so gusto mo ang KASALANAN ng pari . ay KASALANAN ko narin ?

ako ba yung nangharas ?
ako ba yung sinuspindi ng POPE ?

si kristo nga hindi ganyan na kapag may kasalanan ang isa kasalanan ng lahat .



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Kala ko ba one catholic spirit? Ano ito di ba ang tunay na turo ay makikita sa bunga?

oo naman ang turo ay syang bunga

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80% sinasabi ng iba na katoliko ang pilipinas and why nakikita natin na MARAMING LASENGGO, BABAERO, KRIMINAL, CORRUPT, SUGAL, PROSTITUTION, ISAMA MO NA MGA BAKLA AT TSIMOSO.

malamang . madami katoliko . alahing sa religion mo . unti lang kayo ! ,
madami katoliko , worldwide

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Eto ba ang tinuro ng mga Pari since then o baka sila mismo gumagawa nito at nagmamalinis?

kung may turo ipakita mo , masama ang walang proof :)
ngaun kung sila gumagawa ng kasalanan , problema na nila yon ,

hindi ko naman kaano ano yon. sa kanyang kasalanan yon at hindi ko aangkinin ang kasalanan hindi naman akin . baka ikaw gusto mo ? sayo nalang tutal mukhang pag nagkaron ng kasalanan ang puno nyo . kasalanan mo nadin :)  sa inyo nalang yung ganyang turo , wag mo na kami idamay please


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I dont care if you accept this truth or not but for sure mananagot lahat sa Diyos at di ka iligtas ng respeto at kamangmangan tanging si Kristo lamang.


accept na accept ko nga ang truth , mula dun sa pinost mo na link na sinuspindi ni pope. ikaw ang hindi nakakaaccept ng truth na wala ako pake sa pari na pinopost mo dahil di naman ako yon


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Kung talagang naniniwala ka sa Diyos dapat naniniwala ka rin sa Salita Niya hindi ka one sided kita mo ng maraming maling aral o turo oo ka pa rin ng oo.


naniniwala naman ako sa Diyos .
wala naman ako nakitang maling aral . kayo lang sabi ng sabi ng mali .galing saan sa tsismis ng pinuno nyo .
 


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Tapos magagalit ka kasi sinasabi lang ang katotohanan na nakikita naman sa realidad

sinong galit?

naawa nga ako sayo eh :( kasi walang magandang tinuturo religion mo kundi manloko ng katoliko


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Kaya nga tayo binigyan ng Diyos ng utak para gamitin eh kung wala rin silbi ipakain nalang sa buhay o gawing pataba sa lupa para may pakinabang.



oo alam ko .

kaya nga alam ko ito

AY KAY cesar ay kay cesar , ang sa Diyos ay sa Dios



tulad ng

ANg mali ng isa ay mali lang nya

hindi Mali ng isa mali ng lahat

may oras pa brader para magbago ka !

nakakaawa tinuturo sa inyo

walang puso ang Diyos mo!

03-13-19 03:21 PM
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PALUSOT PA MORE. FYI SA MANGMANG NA ITO THERE ARE 800M TO 1B PROTESTANT WORLDWIDE. 250M EVANGELICALS AND 110M BAPTIST. MAG RESEARCH KA O KAYA MAKINIG KA MAN LANG NG NEWS PARA MALAMAN MO NA YUNG MGA PARING RAPIST AT DURUGISTA NASA NEWS AT MAY MGA WITNESS PA.

There are true and pure religion sadly this is not catholicism and islam. Why protestant protested alam niyo ba kung bakit? 1. Nakita nila yung mga MALING ARAL NA KATOLISISMO. 2. The corruption and the abuse by pope and priest noong dark ages at sa katulad sa panahon ni Rizal. 3. ANG PAGSAMBA SA MGA REBULTO O IMAHE kahit di aminin ng mga katoliko ang pag gawa at pagdalangin sa mga ito ay nagdudulot ng galit ng Diyos.

Now there are 80% Catholics in the Philippines they say kaya pala maraming Lasenggo, babaero, corrupt, criminals, illegal drugs, prostitution etc. PANAY KAHIRAPAN AT DAANAN NG KALAMIDAD.

Wala sa bilang yan kundi nasa aral kung ito ay sumusunod sa Salita ng Diyos kasi KUNG ANO ANG PUNO AY SIYANG BUNGA!

Binigyan tayo ng utak ng Diyos para mag aral at matuto... Hindi tayo ililigtas ng kamangmangan o respeto at wala tayong maidadahila sa DIYOS sa harap Niya dahil huhukuman niya kasama ng mga bulaang mangangaral, mga sakim sa kapangyarihan, di mananampalataya at mga terrorista.

JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE...

JESUS SAID: "WIDER IS THE WAY IN HELL AND NARROW IS THE WAY IN HEAVEN..."

-BAPTIST/EVANGELICAL.

PAGPAPALAIN NG DIYOS ANG MGA DUKHA AT POPROTEKTAHAN ANG MGA INAAPI.

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MAGBASE TAYO SA ARAL WAG PURO OPINYON MO NABABASA KO.

Roman Catholic Church Catechism vs. The Holy Bible:

 Catechism  1. Peter was the Head of the Apostles [552,768,880]  Bible  - Christ was the Head of the apostles (John 13:13) 

Catechism  2. The Bishop, is the Successor Of the Apostle [861-862, 936]  Bible  - The Apostles had no Successor, for to Succeed them one needed to be a witness of Christ's Resurrection (Acts 1:21, 22) 

Catechism  3. The Pope, as the bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 938]  Bible  -Peter had no Successor 

Catechism  4. The bishop, with Popes as their head, rules the universal Church [883, 894-896].  Bible  -Christ, the Head of the Body, Rules the Universal Churches (Colossians 1:1 

Catechism  5. God has Entrusted revelation to the Roman Catholic Bishops [81, 86]  Bible  - God has Entrusted revelation to the Saints (Jude 3) 

Catechism  6. The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church [85, 87]  Bible  - The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the Church (John 14:26; 16:13; 1 John 2:27) 

Catechism  8. The Pope is infallible interpreter of the Scripture [891]  Bible  -God Alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19) 

Catechism  9. The Magisterium alone has the ability and the right to interpret the Scripture [85, 100, 939]  Bible  -Every Christian, aided by the Holy Spirit, has Ability and the right to interpret the Scripture (Acts 17:11; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16) 

Catechism 10. Scripture is to be interpreted in the sense in which it has been define by the Magisterium [113, 119]  Bible  - Scripture must be Interpreted in the original sense intended by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 3:14 -16) 

Catechism  11. The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly of the revelation [66, 82  Bible  - No One has right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:6) 

Catechism  12. The Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, and 182]  Bible  -Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20, 21). Tradition is the Words of men (Mark 7:1-13) 

Catechism  13. Scripture and the Tradition together are the Church’s Supreme rule of Faith [80, 82]  -Scripture is the Church’s only Rule of Faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17). #JESUS SAVES!

#END CORRUPTION AND CRIMES. -BAPTIST/CONSERVATIVE PINOY. (DEATH PENALTY FOR RAPIST PRIEST, CORRUPT OFFICIALS, CRIMINALS AND DRUG LORDS).

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03-13-19 03:34 PM
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tignan mo talaga kalokohan nito ang hinihingi kong post yung sinasabi mong turo na patunkol sa sinasabi mong turo ng katoliko na maglasing, etc...
kasi direkta mo sinabi na turo ng katoliko yon

ang pinost ay patunkol sa cathecism

pwede pakipost yung link ng pinagkunan mo
para mabasa naman ng iba yung buo ng katekismo
hindi yung ipopost mo yung kaignorantehan mo sa katekismo

at kukuha ng hiwalay na kontext para lang suportahan ang kalokohan mo.

para mabasa ng buo yung bawat teksto nyan

nakakaawa na talaga religion mo .


walang ginawa kundi mangalikot at mambaluktot ng aral ng katoliko..


:(  naaawa na ko sayo brader


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Catechism  1. Peter was the Head of the Apostles [552,768,880]  Bible  - Christ was the Head of the apostles (John 13:13) 

juan 13:13

13 Tinatawag ninyo akong Guro at Panginoon, at tama kayo, sapagkat ganoon nga ako.

 :o :o 

manloloko ka ! wala patunkol sa head si christ jan ..

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Catechism  2. The Bishop, is the Successor Of the Apostle [861-862, 936]  Bible  - The Apostles had no Successor, for to Succeed them one needed to be a witness of Christ's Resurrection (Acts 1:21, 22) 


gawa 1:21-22
21 Kaya nga, kinakailangang pumili tayo sa mga lalaking nakasama sa buong panahon na ang Panginoong Jesus ay pumaparoon at pumaparitong kasama natin. 22 Kailangang nakasama natin siya mula sa pagbabawtismo ni Juan hanggang sa araw na siya ay dinala paitaas mula sa atin. Pipiliin natin ang isa sa kanila upang maging kasama nating tagapagpatotoo patungkol sa kaniyang pagkabuhay na mag-uli.



MANLOLOKO KA TALAGA wala naman sinabi jan na walang successor eh ...


andami mo post


ang hirap iquote lahat ..

pati pag kuha ng texto sa bible pinaglalaruan mo nalang !


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03-13-19 04:50 PM
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Ang gulo ng mga statement mo eh Bibliya na nga basehan naghahanap ka pa ng reference. Nasa catechism niyo yan at nasa Bibliya naman yung kontra sa sinasabi mo. Si Hesus ang ulo ng iglesia at ang iglesia ang katawan o ang mga mananampalataya. Si Kristo ang nagtatag nito at Siya ang nangunguna rito dahil lahat ng apostol at mananampalataya ay pantay pantay at iisang katawan.


"SI KRISTO ANG ULO AT KATAWAN NG IGLESIYA ANO BA ITO?"
 ANG AKING PAGBUBULAY-BULAY SA ESPIRITU MULA SA;
 
COLOSAS 1:18

 Siya ang ulo ng iglesya na kanyang katawan. Siya ang pasimula, siya ang panganay na binuhay mula sa kamatayan, upang siya'y maging pangunahin sa lahat.


 "Is apostolic succession biblical?"

 The doctrine of apostolic succession is the belief that the 12 apostles passed on their authority to successors, who then passed the apostolic authority on to their successors, continuing throughout the centuries, even unto today. The Roman Catholic Church sees Peter as the leader of the apostles, with the greatest authority, and therefore his successors carry on the greatest authority. The Roman Catholic Church combines this belief with the concept that Peter later became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishops that followed Peter were accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches. Apostolic succession, combined with Peter’s supremacy among the apostles, results in the Roman bishop being the supreme authority of the Catholic Church – the Pope.

However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.” Further, neither is Peter presented as “supreme” over the other apostles. The apostle Paul, in fact, rebukes Peter when Peter was leading others astray (Galatians 2:11-14). Yes, the apostle Peter had a prominent role. Yes, perhaps the apostle Peter was the leader of the apostles (although the book of Acts records the apostle Paul and Jesus’ brother James as also having prominent leadership roles). Whatever the case, Peter was not the “commander” or supreme authority over the other apostles. Even if apostolic succession could be demonstrated from Scripture, which it cannot, apostolic succession would not result in Peter’s successors being absolutely supreme over the other apostles’ successors.

Catholics point to Matthias being chosen to replace Judas as the twelfth apostle in Acts chapter 1 as an example of apostolic succession. While Matthias did indeed “succeed” Judas as an apostle, this is in no sense an argument for continuing apostolic succession. Matthias being chosen to replace Judas is only an argument for the church replacing ungodly and unfaithful leaders (such as Judas) with godly and faithful leaders (such as Matthias). Nowhere in the New Testament are any of the twelve apostles recorded as passing on their apostolic authority to successors. Nowhere do any of the apostles predict that they will pass on their apostolic authority. No, Jesus ordained the apostles to build the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20). What is the foundation of the church that the apostles built? The New Testament – the record of the deeds and teachings of the apostles. The church does not need apostolic successors. The church needs the teachings of the apostles accurately recorded and preserved. And that is exactly what God has provided in His Word (Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 1:5; 2 Timothy 2:15; 4:2).

In short, apostolic succession is not biblical. The concept of apostolic succession is never found in Scripture. What is found in Scripture is that the true church will teach what the Scriptures teach and will compare all doctrines and practices to Scripture in order to determine what is true and right. The Roman Catholic Church claims that a lack of ongoing apostolic authority results in doctrinal confusion and chaos. It is an unfortunate truth (that the apostles acknowledged) that false teachers would arise (2 Peter 2:1). Admittedly, the lack of “supreme authority” among non-Catholic churches results in many different interpretations of the Bible. However, these differences in interpretation are not the result of Scripture being unclear. Rather, they are the result of even non-Catholic Christians carrying on the Catholic tradition of interpreting Scripture in accordance with their own traditions. If Scripture is studied in its entirety and in its proper context, the truth can be easily determined. Doctrinal differences and denominational conflicts are a result of some Christians refusing to agree with what Scripture says – not a result of there being no “supreme authority” to interpret Scripture.

Alignment with scriptural teaching, not apostolic succession, is the determining factor of the trueness of a church. What is mentioned in Scripture is the idea that the Word of God was to be the guide that the church was to follow (Acts 20:32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17). It is the Scriptures that teachings are to be compared with (Acts 17:10-12). Apostolic authority was passed on through the writings of the apostles, not through apostolic succession.

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03-14-19 09:17 AM
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Ang gulo ng mga statement mo eh Bibliya na nga basehan naghahanap ka pa ng reference.

Huh? magulo statement ko ? san banda . IQUOTE MO NGA ng makita natin san ka naguluhan . o taktiks mo yan para di ka masyadong halata  :blindfold:


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Nasa catechism niyo yan at nasa Bibliya naman yung kontra sa sinasabi mo

palink kasi ng site para ng catechism para makita ng lahat ang kabuuan . baka tinatago mo ? ayaw mo mabasa nila no ? aminin

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Si Hesus ang ulo ng iglesia at ang iglesia ang katawan o ang mga mananampalataya

wala naman pagtatalo sa ulo ng iglesia . si Jesus talaga yon . ang binibigyan mo ng isyu yung si Apostol pedro na syang head o leader ng mga APOSTOL

back read ka . nalilito ka na ata sa sarili mong mantika  :pacman:

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COLOSAS 1:18

 Siya ang ulo ng iglesya na kanyang katawan. Siya ang pasimula, siya ang panganay na binuhay mula sa kamatayan, upang siya'y maging pangunahin sa lahat.


anung problema sa talaga ?  :wtf:

nasan kana ba ? san na ba tumutungo ang usapan ?

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The doctrine of apostolic succession is the belief that the 12 apostles passed on their authority to successors, who then passed the apostolic authority on to their successors, continuing throughout the centuries, even unto today. The Roman Catholic Church sees Peter as the leader of the apostles, with the greatest authority, and therefore his successors carry on the greatest authority. The Roman Catholic Church combines this belief with the concept that Peter later became the first bishop of Rome, and that the Roman bishops that followed Peter were accepted by the early church as the central authority among all of the churches. Apostolic succession, combined with Peter’s supremacy among the apostles, results in the Roman bishop being the supreme authority of the Catholic Church – the Pope.

PALINK san mo kinuha yan . para mabasa ng lahat ang reference mo hindi yung post ka ng post ng ganyan . pero wala ka mapakitang reference , madali mag gawa ng sentence . 

PALINK nyan

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However, nowhere in Scripture did Jesus, the apostles, or any other New Testament writer set forth the idea of “apostolic succession.” Further, neither is Peter presented as “supreme” over the other apostles.


HOWEVER wala din sa scriptures na hindi nagkaroon ng apostolic succession , pero may makikita kang mga bagong apostles . anong tawag duon ? :D wala lang ?

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(Galatians 2:11-14). Yes, the apostle Peter had a prominent role. Yes, perhaps the apostle Peter was the leader of the apostles

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GALATIANS 2:11-14
11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?




UTOY asan po mababasa dyan na si PETER ay sinabing leader na ?
nanghuhula ka nalang ba ng mga chapters and verses?

MANLOLOKO KA TALAGA !


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Yes, perhaps the apostle Peter was the leader of the apostles (although the book of Acts records the apostle Paul and Jesus’ brother James as also having prominent leadership roles).

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Peter was not the “commander” or supreme authority over the other apostles



ANO ba talaga ? leader ba sya o hindi?

nagkakalabo labo ka na !


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LEADER:
----the person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country.

ayon o sinabi mo leader si pedro pero hindi sya binigyan ng authority na magkaron ng kakayahang magcommand ?

ano ba talaga KOYA !



NAKAKATAMAD ! ang haba ng post mo !

puro wala kontra sa bawat isa .


nakakaawa na talaga ang RELIGION na kinakaaniban mo


MAGBAGO KANA .


ngayon hanapan mo ko ng TALATANG TOTOO na hindi nga nagkaroon ng apostolic succession

at pag may nakita ka

AANIB ako sa RELIHIYON mong pang demonyohan ang turo


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03-14-19 06:22 PM
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pastor o ministro nyo james perpekto ba? at wala ba rapist na memistro o pastor nyo?

03-18-19 05:21 PM
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Wala akong sinabing perpekto ang mga Pastor pero wag tayong mag generalize na lahat ng Pastor ay iisa o pareho kasi may fake pastor.

Anyway waste of time makipag usap kay kingron walang sense ang post at biblical proof na mas malinaw about Apostolic succession.

Apostolic Succession
Catholics are taught that Peter was the first Pope and that there has been a succession, one after the other, of Popes that followed Peter. One excellent example of this is found within the foyer of many Catholic churches. As you walk in the front door, there are a series of large plaques that dominate the main wall. On each plaque is the name of a Pope. Starting with the current living Pope, they trace the names of every Pope sequentially back in history to Apostle Peter, who they claim was the first Pope. Yet the office of Pope did not exist for the first 600 years of history. Such displays are a powerful deception to the masses, for historically and Biblically this is simply untrue.
The Catholic church prides itself as the original church that Jesus started in 33 AD and that all other denominations broke away from them and are therefore deviant. Catholics are led to believe from their priests, that if they were transported back in time to 100 A.D, they would be able to attend a Catholic church just like to day. The facts of history, however, paint an entirely different picture, because the Roman Catholic church, in its present organizational structure, did not exist prior to 606 A.D.
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Examining Catholic Successors
The aim of this study is to carefully examine the Scriptures regarding the Roman Catholic claim of successors. As in all our writings, our purpose is not to stir up hatred or to create strife. We wish only to make an honest inquiry regarding the validity of the successor doctrine as taught by the Catholic Church. Our intent is to secure an accurate knowledge of God's truth that we might abide therein. We ask our readers to investigate with open minds and honest hearts the things presented. God requires this of everyone. "Test all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thess. 5:21).

All scriptural quotations in this work are from authorized Catholic translations (from the Confraternity Version unless otherwise indicated), and all quotes are from authorized Catholic books. Ones which bear the "Nihil obstat" (nothing hinders) and the "Imprimatur" (let it be printed). A complete bibliography is furnished at the close of this document.

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Apostolic Authority
In this age, God speaks to us through His Son, Jesus Christ (Heb. 1:1-2). Christ spoke the words and commandments given to Him from the Father (John 12:49-50). We are to hear Jesus, not Moses or Elijah (Mark 9:2-8). Christ is the mediator of the New Testament (Heb. 9:15-17). Christ is that great prophet who was to come (Deut. 18:15,19; Acts 3:22-23). The name of Jesus is the only name by which we can be saved (Acts 4:12). We cannot reject His word and be guiltless (John 12:48). God, therefore, makes known His will to us today through His Son.

Jesus makes known God's will through His apostles and prophets. Christ gave the same words and commandments that He received from the Father to His twelve apostles (John 17:6-8, 17-20). He promised them the Holy Spirit who would remind them of all He had said and would guide them into all truth. He said, "These things I have spoken to you while yet dwelling with you. But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your mind whatever I have said to you." (John 14:25-26; see also 14:16-17). Furthermore, Jesus said, "But when the advocate has come, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness concerning me. And you also bear witness, because from the beginning you are with me." (John 15:26-27; see also 16:13-14). From the foregoing passages, we learn two important facts: (1) The promise of the Holy Spirit was to the apostles only. They were the ones to whom Jesus was speaking; they were the ones who had been with Him from the beginning. (2) The Holy Spirit would be in them and would enable them to teach all the truth concerning the will of God.

The apostles were to wait in Jerusalem to receive the Holy Spirit as was promised. "And I send forth upon you the promise of my Father. But wait here in the city, until you are clothed with power from on high." (Luke 24:49). "And while eating with them, he charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, 'of which you have heard,' said he, 'by my mouth; for John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days hence.' " (Acts 1:4-5). "...You shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you..." (Acts 1:8). All of this was in fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies which said, "...The law shall come forth from Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." (Isa. 2:3; Micah 4:2).

The apostles received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2:1-4 and "began to speak in foreign tongues, even as the Holy Spirit prompted them to speak." (Verse 4). Thus, they began to proclaim by inspiration the will or law of God as Jesus had declared in the words, "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven." (Matt. 18:18). What Jesus said to Peter concerning binding and loosing (Matt. 16:19), He also said to all the apostles (Matt. 18:18). The meaning is not that the binding and loosing would come from their own devising--God alone is the lawgiver (James 4:12) and His word is forever firmly fixed in the heavens (Psalm 119:89)--but with the Holy Spirit guiding them they would proclaim the things God wanted bound and loosed. For example, they declared what God bound for forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38), and what God loosed--"...Delivered me from the law of sin and death" (Rom. 8:2). This principle is expressed in Matt. 10:20 which says, "...For it is not you who are speaking, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks through you."

Jesus also said to His apostles, "Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." (John 20:22-23). Again, the meaning is not that they would forgive and retain sins in and of themselves. They would not from their own devising arbitrarily say to one "your sins are forgiven" and to another "your sins are retained." The action they were to take was conditioned upon the expression, "Receive the Holy Spirit." By the possession of the Holy Spirit, therefore, they would be enabled to forgive and retain sins.

When the apostles received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2), they began to do as the Lord had said. For example, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins..." (Acts 2:38). This and other similar passages are inspired examples of how their authority to forgive sins was exercised. Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, they laid down the conditions by which sins are forgiven. If we do as they commanded, our sins are forgiven, if we do not, our sins are retained. Since this is the only thing revealed in the New Testament concerning their power to forgive and retain sins, this constitutes the full extent of their authority in this matter.

Up to the point as recorded in Acts 2, only the twelve had obtained the ability to speak by the inspiration of God. Verse 14 of Acts 2 shows that Peter, standing with the eleven, declared that the gift which they had received was in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Verse 43 says, "And fear came upon every soul; many wonders also and signs were done by means of the apostles in Jerusalem, and great fear came upon all." Consequently, the apostles up to this point were the only ones who had received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. God worked with them by giving them the power to work miracles. Mark 16:20 says, "But they went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the preaching by the signs that followed." (See also Heb. 2:3-4).

As we read a little farther in the book of Acts we see how New Testament prophets were made. The first account of someone besides an apostle working a miracle is that of Stephen. "Now Stephen, full of grace and power, was working great wonders and signs among the people." (Acts 6:8). Stephen, as well as Philip, was of the seven on whom the apostles had laid their hands. "These they set before the apostles, and after they had prayed they laid their hands upon them." (Acts 6:6). As we read still farther, we see that Philip is the next person who was able to work miracles. "And Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached the Christ to them. And the crowds with one accord gave heed to what was said by Philip, listening to him and seeing the miracles that he worked." (Acts 8:5-6).

Although Philip was a New Testament prophet and could work miracles, he was unable to give the Holy Spirit to others. Only the apostles were empowered with that ability. Acts 8:14-19 says, "Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John. On their arrival they prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit; for as yet he had not come upon any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. But when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money, saying, 'Give me also this power, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.' "

Please notice that the Holy Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands. This is the only way New Testament prophets were made and the prophets themselves were unable to give the Spirit to others. Philip could not give the Holy Spirit to the people of Samaria. Some apostles, Peter and John, had to be sent from Jerusalem before that could be done. When an apostle laid his hands on someone, he received miraculous powers. Acts 19:6 says, "And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they began to speak in tongues and to prophesy." Cornelius and his household received the "like gift" as the apostles for the specific purpose of God's acceptance of the Gentiles into the New Covenant (Acts 11:14-18).

Thus, we have shown that the apostles were the only ones who were to receive the power from on high and were to wait in Jerusalem for it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). This power enabled them to speak in tongues, prophesy and work miracles (Acts 2:4,43). Also, it gave them the ability to transmit the Holy Spirit by laying their hands on others. New Testament prophets were made in this manner and they also could speak in tongues, prophesy and work miracles but could not pass on the power to others (Acts 8:4-6; 14-19).

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Apostolic Succession
We will now notice several quotations from Catholic sources which assert that the present day officials in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles. Please notice the following:

"There is no just ground for denying to the Apostolic teachers of the nineteenth century in which we live a prerogative clearly possessed by those of the first, especially as the Divine Word nowhere intimates that this unerring guidance was to die with the Apostles. On the contrary, as the Apostles transmitted to their successors their power to preach, to baptize, to ordain, to confirm, etc., they must also have handed down to them the no less essential gift of infallibility." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 54).
Please notice, first of all, that the Catholic writer says, "There is no just ground for denying to the Apostolic teachers of the nineteenth century in which we live a prerogative clearly possessed by those of the first..." In other words, he is saying there is no just ground for denying that the present day teachers in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles. We claim that there is just ground for denying it. No one is a successor to the apostles and has their authority today because no one is inspired by the Holy Spirit today. The possession of the Spirit is the factor that determined the apostles' authority. They had the power to bind and loose, forgive and retain, because God was speaking through them. On that basis only were they enabled to unerringly deliver God's message to mankind. How can anyone claim to have authority such as theirs, being their successors, when not inspired by the Holy Spirit?

Furthermore, the apostles and those on whom they laid their hands could speak with tongues, prophesy and work miracles. They worked miracles to demonstrate their authority, to show that they were indeed inspired of God. In defense of his own authority, Paul said, "Indeed, the signs of the apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in miracles and wonders and deeds of power." (2 Cor. 12:12). No one can work miracles today as they did; thus, no one is inspired today and no one has the same authority today.

Secondly, the Catholic writer said, "...The Divine Word nowhere intimates that this unerring guidance was to die with the apostles." We agree that the unerring guidance was not to die with the apostles. However, we must inquire, "In what way is the unerring guidance transmitted or handed down to us today?" The Scriptures affirm that we receive it through the inspired writings of the apostles and prophets. The Catholic official, however, tries to show that it is handed down through men as successors of the apostles and prophets. He affirmed that the Divine Word nowhere indicates that it was not to be transmitted to their successors. In reality, the opposite is true. The Divine Word nowhere indicates that it was to be transmitted to successors.

A look at the qualifications of the apostles reveal they would not have successors. An apostle had to be an eye-witness of Christ. (See Acts 1:15-26). Paul defended his apostleship by saying, "Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?" (1 Cor. 9:1). The apostles were indeed witnesses in the fullest sense. They were the eye-witnesses, carefully chosen by the Lord, who would witness to mankind what they saw and heard concerning Jesus. Acts 1:8 says, "...But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you shall be witnesses for me in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and even to the very ends of the earth." The Lord said to Paul, "...I have appeared to thee for this purpose, to appoint thee to be a minister and a witness to what thou hast seen, and to the visions thou shalt have of me." (Acts 26:16). Peter declared, "For we were not following fictitious tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we had been eye-witnesses of his grandeur." (2 Pet. 1:16).

Realizing this important fact helps us to understand how the apostles witness to us today. They certainly do not do it through other ordained witnesses. It is impossible for one in our time to be a witness in the sense they were. Instead, it is through their writings--the holy Scriptures. The apostle John, in his introduction to his first epistle, declared that he was bearing witness to those things which they had heard, had seen with their eyes, and had touched with their hands, concerning the Word of life. John bore witness to those things by writing them for us. (See 1 John 1:1-4). The apostles' testimony given in their writings was to "all who call upon the name of our Lord in every place" (1 Cor. 1:2), and to "the faithful in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 1:1). The apostles witness to us today through their writings and this is the only way their unerring guidance is transmitted to the present.

Jesus prayed for unity of all those who would believe on Him through the word of the apostles. "Yet not for these only do I pray, but for those also who through their word are to believe in me." (John 17:20). In this prayer Jesus revealed how believers are to be made--through the apostles' word. Since we do not have the apostles present with us, we must inquire, "How are believers made through their word today?" It is not through their present day successors, but as John said, "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name." (John 20:31). Very simply, therefore, individuals were made believers at first as result of the inspired apostles witnessing to them while in their presence. Individuals are made believers today as result of the apostles witnessing through their inspired writings.

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Catholic Successors
We are taught of God not to go beyond the things which are written (1 Cor. 4:6). We must abide in the doctrine of Christ or we don't have God (2 John 9). We must not take from, add to, or pervert the gospel of Christ because doing so causes the curse of God to come upon us (Rev. 22:18-19; Gal. 1:6-9). Thus, if Catholics are to sustain their doctrine that the authority of the apostles was transmitted to authorized successors, they must produce the passages which openly and plainly reveal it. This they have not done. Please notice the following from a Catholic source:

"...The Christian faith has been taught, and was intended by its Divine founder to be taught, in all ages on the same plan that was adopted in the beginning; that is to say, by authorized human teachers, whose adherence to it has been secured by a special Divine assistance, as that of the apostles was in the beginning." (Plain Facts For Fair Minds, pp. 29-30).
The above Catholic writer affirms that the gospel was once in the inspired teachers and therefore must be learned from authorized human teachers today. No Bible was cited to prove his contention. The argument is unreasonable as well as unscriptural. We might as well argue that Adam and Eve were created and therefore "in all ages on the same plan that was adopted in the beginning" men are brought forth into the world today. However, we know that the miracle of creation was temporary and provisional; it was for that first pair alone. All others have come into the world by means of natural birth. In like manner the gospel was revealed by miracle to the apostles and prophets. The inspired word was for many years in the inspired men, but once the New Testament was completed and duly confirmed, the spiritual gifts that had brought the word and confirmed it ceased.

Notice the following quote from a Catholic source:

"The guidance of Christ was, therefore, to continue with their successors. This is clearly disclosed by the words of Christ: 'Behold I am with you all days even to the consummation of the world.' Since the Apostles were not to live until the end of the world, Christ promised to be with them in the person of their successors unto the end of time." (The Faith of Millions, p. 137).
The above Catholic writer quotes a passage of Scripture, Matt. 28:20, and declares that it discloses that the apostles were to have successors. Another Catholic writer quotes the same passage and asserts that Jesus was teaching that the church would never teach error. Please note the following:

"Why can't the Catholic Church ever teach error? Because Jesus promised to be always with His church to protect it from error. 'Go therefore, and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you: and behold, I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world' (Matthew 28:19-20)." (A Catechism For Adults, p. 56).
Does it not seem strange that these Catholic officials can make the same passage teach two different doctrines when the passage says nothing about either? The promise of Christ was to the apostles and to them alone. In what way would He be with them to the end of the world? Notice the context. Just before He declared, "I am with you all days," he said, "...Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you." Thus, Christ would be with them in the teaching of His commandments. The apostles themselves would not remain forever, but their teachings, the commandments of Christ which they delivered, would. The same is taught in parallel passages. "For you have been reborn, not from corruptible seed but from incorruptible, through the word of God who lives and abides forever. For, 'All flesh is as grass, and all its glory as the flower of grass; the grass withered, and the flower has fallen--but the word of the Lord endures forever.' Now this is the word of the gospel that was preached to you." (1 Pet. 1:23-25). Also, Christ would be with them always in the same sense He is with all faithful Christians. He dwells in them while they live here on earth (John 14:23), and after death they depart to be with Him (Phil. 1:21-23).

The following chart illustrates that Catholics are without Scriptural authority for their doctrine of successors.

THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

THAT WHICH THEY NEED BUT DON'T HAVE

Eph. 2:20, "...You are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ himself as the chief corner stone."

"...You are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets AND THEIR SUCCESSORS with Christ himself as the chief corner stone."

Eph. 3:5, "...Now it has been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit."

"...Now it has been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets AND SUCCESSORS by the Spirit."

2 Cor. 5:20, "On behalf of Christ, therefore, we are acting as ambassadors, God, as it were, appealing through us."

"One behalf of Christ, therefore, we AND OUR SUCCESSORS are acting as ambassadors, God, as it were, appealing through us."

1 John 4:6, "We are of God: he that knoweth God listens to us; he who is not of God does not listen to us."

"We are of God: he that knoweth God listens to us AND OUR SUCCESSORS; he who is not of God does not listen to us."

John 20:21-23, "As the Father has sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed upon them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit; whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained."

"As the Father has sent me, I also send you AND YOUR SUCCESSORS. When he had said this, he breathed upon the, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit; whose sins you AND YOUR SUCCESSORS shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you AND YOUR SUCCESSORS shall retain, they are retained."

John 17:20, "Yet not for these only do I pray, but for those also who through their word are to believe in me."

"Yet not for these only do I pray, but for those also who through their AND THEIR SUCCESSORS' word are to believe in me."

If the Catholics are to sustain their idea of successors, they must produce the passages which plainly and openly reveal it. Anyone who teaches a doctrine not written in the Word of God incurs the displeasure and condemnation of God. Notice the following Scriptures:

"Now, brethren, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos by way of illustration for your sakes, that in our case you may learn not to be puffed up one against the other over a third party, transgressing what is written." (1 Cor. 4:6).
"Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in they name, and cast out devils in thy name, and work many miracles in thy name?' And then I will profess to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of iniquity!' " (Matt. 7:22-23).
"If anyone thinks that he is a prophet of spiritual, let him recognize that the things I am writing to you are the Lord's commandments." (1 Cor. 14:37).
"Anyone who advances and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ, has not God; he who abides in the doctrine, he has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 9).
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The Only Succession
The Catholics cannot produce the passages for their doctrine of successors because none exist. We have already shown that the apostles were the only ones who were to receive the power from on high and were to wait in Jerusalem for it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). This power enabled them to speak in tongues, prophesy, and work miracles (Acts 2:4,43). Also, it gave them the ability to transmit the Holy Spirit by laying their hands on others. New Testament prophets were made in this manner and they also could speak in tongues, prophesy, and work miracles, but could not pass the power to others (Acts 8:4-6, 14-19). The apostles and prophets, and they alone, were the chosen ambassadors of Christ through which we are reconciled to God (2 Cor. 5:20). They were chosen to reveal God's will to mankind (Eph. 3:5). We are to receive their word as the word of God (1 Thess. 2:13; 1 John 4:6). They are the foundation on which we are built (Eph. 2:20). They were selected to deliver "the faith" to mankind and it has once and for all been delivered (Jude 3). Their message has the promise of God to remain forever (1 Pet. 1:23-25).

When the apostles and prophets approached their deaths they did not give successors to take their places. Instead, they left their inspired writings. Peter said, "Moreover I will endeavor that even after my death you may often have occasion to call these things to mind." (2 Pet. 1:15). This would have been an excellent opportunity for Peter to tell us that he was leaving a successor through which we could recall the things of Christ, if indeed that was the truth regarding it. However, he said "This, beloved, is now the second epistle that I am writing to you wherein I stir up your pure mind to remembrance, that you may be mindful of what I formerly preached of the words of the holy prophets and of your apostles, which are the precepts of the Lord and Savior." (2 Pet. 3:1-2). Thus, Peter plainly declared that the things of Christ would be recalled through his writings. The inspired writings, therefore, are the only infallible succession that we have from the apostles and prophets.

The apostle Paul also demonstrated this fact. He said, "For I am already on the point of being sacrificed; the time of my departure has come." (2 Tim. 4:6; Catholic Edition RSV). Again, this would have been a wonderful opportunity for an apostle to teach that unerring guidance was to be handed down through their successors. He was writing to the young man Timothy who had received his spiritual guidance from him. Surely, if successors were to be ordained, he would have mentioned it to him so that he would know where to obtain unerring guidance. Or, if perhaps he had made Timothy his successor, surely he would have instructed him regarding it in order that he and others would know about it. However, there is no hint whatsoever of successors as this apostle approaches death. On the contrary, he points Timothy, as well as all men, to the sacred writings which the inspired men left us:

"For from thy infancy thou hast known the Sacred Writings, which are able to instruct thee unto salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim. 3:15-17).
Please notice the following quotations from Catholic sources:

"Jesus sends forth the Apostles with plenipotentiary powers to preach the Gospel. 'As the Father,' He says, 'hath sent me, I also send you.' (John 20:21). 'Going therefore, teach all nations, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.' (Matt. 28:19-20). 'Preach the Gospel to every creature.' (Mark 16:15). 'Ye shall be witnesses unto Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth.' (Acts 1:8).
"This commission evidently applies not to the Apostles only, but also to their successors, to the end of time, since it was utterly impossible for the Apostles personally to preach to the whole world." (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 56).
"Since it was physically impossible for the Apostles to preach to the whole world, the mission must have been intended also for their successors to the end of time, our Catholic Bishops and priests." (My Catholic Faith, p. 145).
As before, the above Catholic writers assume that our Lord's words to the apostles demand successors. Their whole doctrine of successors is based on this assumption. The words of Jesus were spoken to the apostles only. There is no mention of successors in the verses. As Jesus had commanded them, the apostles went into all the world and preached the gospel to every creature. The apostle Paul said concerning the gospel, "It has been preached to every creature under heaven..." (Col. 1:23). The task of unerringly revealing the gospel was completed by the apostles and their many helpers, those on whom they laid their hands, the New Testament prophets. The apostles and prophets still witness and preach to the world today through their writings. John said, "But these are written that you may believe..." (John 20:31), and "What we have seen and heard we announce to you...And these things we write to you..." (1 John 1:3-4). Furthermore, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away." (Matt. 24:35). Thus, the apostles and prophets by means of inspiration delivered our Lord's words to mankind and they will remain forever.

It seems very strange and odd that the successor of a king is a king, the successor of a president is a president, and the successor of a governor is a governor, but the successor of an apostles is a Catholic bishop or priest!

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Inheritors Of Authority?
Please notice the following quotation from a Catholic source:

"Christ conferred upon the Apostles the power to forgive sins: 'Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven, they are forgiven.' (John 20:23). St. Paul mirrors the faith of the Apostolic Church when he writes: 'God hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation.' (II Cor. 5:18).
"As the inheritors of the power and authority of the apostles, the bishops and priests of the Catholic Church exercise the ministry of reconciliation, forgiving penitent sinners in the name of Jesus Christ." (The Faith of Millions, pp. 71-72)
"Did Christ intend that THIS POWER should BE EXERCISED BY THE APOSTLES ALONE?
"No, Christ intended that this power should be exercised also by their successors, the bishops of church." (My Catholic Faith, p. 107)
"Christ had given the Apostles full powers to choose successors, when He gave them the powers His Father had given Him (John 20:21).
"It was the command of Christ that the Apostles should have successors to continue the Church, which He said would last till the end of the world. (Matt. 28:20). Without successors to the Apostles, the Church would have no rulers, and being unorganized would never have lasted." (Ibid., p. 107).
As one can see from he above, Catholics claim that the present day bishops and priests in the Catholic Church are successors to the apostles, being inheritors of their power and authority. This cannot be true. The Catholic bishops and priests were not promised the power from on high nor commanded to wait in Jerusalem to receive it (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4,8). They have no authority because they are not inspired of the Holy Spirit nor are they eyewitnesses of Jesus (John 20:22-23; Acts 1:8, 21-26). They cannot prove their authority by speaking in tongues, prophesying and working miracles (2 Cor. 12:12). They are not the chosen ambassadors who were selected to deliver God's message or "the faith" to mankind (Eph. 3:3-4; Jude 3). Moreover, they cannot be successors to the apostles and prophets because the only infallible succession to them are the inspired writings (2 Pet. 1:15; 3:1; 2 Tim. 3:14-17).

The words of Christ quoted by the above Catholic writers were addressed the apostles only. They were not addressed to Catholic bishops and priests and it is sinful and wrong to apply the passage to them. This is done repeatedly in the Catholic Church as they try to prove their man made doctrine of successors. It was done by the above Catholic writers as he made reference to John 20:21-23; Matt. 28:20 and 2 Cor. 5:18. None of the passages made mention of successors nor referred to successors. They referred to the apostles and prophets only, and to apply them to anyone else is to twist and pervert the word of God. The wrath of God rests on all those who do such (Gal. 1:6-9; 2 John 9; Rev. 22:18-19).

Catholic officials confuse the present Catholic bishops with the New Testament bishops. Notice the following:

"The Apostles chose men to assist them, imparting to them greater or less powers. Before leaving a place, they chose a successor with full powers (Acts 14:22).
"Those who received only a small part of the powers of the apostles were called deacons. Those given greater power were called priests. Those appointed successors to rule in the place of the Apostles were the bishops." (My Catholic Faith, p. 107).
The New Testament bishops were not successors to the apostles nor did they in any way resemble present day Catholic bishops. Their qualifications are clearly disclosed in 1 Tim. 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9. We quote Paul's words to Timothy here for you careful consideration:

"This saying is true: If anyone is eager for the office of bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then, must be blameless, married but once, reserved, prudent, of good conduct, hospitable, a teacher, not a drinker or a brawler, but moderate, not quarrelsome, not avaricious. He should rule well his own household, keeping his children under control and perfectly respectful. For if a man cannot rule his own household, how is he to take care of the church of God? He must not be a new convert, lest he be puffed up with pride and incur the condemnation passed on the devil. Besides this he must have a good reputation with those who are outside, that he may not fall into disgrace and into a snare of the devil." (1 Tim. 3:1-7).
A study of New Testament bishops, first of all, reveals they had to be married men. 1 Tim. 3:2 says, "It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behavior, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher..." (Catholic Rheims Translation). "Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife..." (1 Tim. 3:2; Catholic Revised Standard Version). Also, a bishop had to rule his own house well having his children in subjection (1 Tim. 3:4-5). The Catholic Church rejects the will of Christ in this matter. The inspired writers plainly revealed that among other things the great apostasy would "forbid marriage" (1 Tim. 4:1-3).

Secondly, the New Testament reveals that bishops are overseers of the local congregations. They were to be selected by each local church. They were to be "proved" or "tried" in view of the qualifications as were the deacons (1 Tim. 3:10). Deacons had no authority but were to "serve" in the local churches (1 Tim. 3:8-13). Once the bishops were selected, they were to oversee the local congregations wherein they had been chosen and ordained. Peter said to the bishops, "Tend the flock of God which is among you..." (1 Pet. 5:2). This was the extent of their oversight--overseeing only one church. The Catholic Church has changed the law of Christ in this matter also. Their bishops oversee not just one church but a whole diocese of churches. Paul showed that the great apostasy which was already underway in his time (2 Thess. 2:7) would begin among the bishops (Acts 20:28-31).

Thirdly, the New Testament disclosed that there was always a plurality of bishops in each local church. Acts 14:23 says, "In each church they installed presbyters and, with prayer and fasting, commended them to the Lord in whom they had put their faith." (New Catholic Translation). Without exception there were always more than one bishop (or elder) in each church. Again, the Catholic Church has corrupted this form of governing as ordained by God. Instead of having several bishops (or elders) overseeing one church, they have one bishop overseeing several churches. The Council of Nicia in Cannon 8 forbad having more than one bishop in a city (Disciplinary a Decrees of the General Councils, p. 34).

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Catholic Mis-Translation
In the New Testament the words "elder," "bishop," or "pastor" are used interchangeably. The three terms refer to the same office which God placed in the local churches. Here is a list of the three words:

(1) Presbyter, or Elder - Acts 14:23; 20:17; 1 Tim. 5:17; Titus 1:5; 1 Pet. 5:1. It is translated from the Greek word presbuteros.

(2) Bishop, or Overseer - Acts 20:28; Titus 1:7; 1 Tim. 3:1; Phil. 1:1; 1 Pet. 5:2. From the Greek word episkopos.

(3) Pastor, Shepherd, Tend, or Feed - Acts 20:28; 1 Pet. 5:2; Eph. 4:11. From the Greek word poimen.

We mention again that all of the above terms refer to the same office because they are used interchangeably. Some passages use all three terms interchangeably in the same context, e.g., Acts 20:17,28; 1 Pet. 5:1-3. We call your attention to the fact that the term "priest" (Gr. hiereus) is not among those synonymous terms, nor is it ever applied to the office of bishop or elder. The Catholic Church confuses this matter by saying that a "presbyter" is one official and a "bishop" is another. For example, "The word 'priest' is derived from the Greek presbyter..." (My Catholic Faith, p. 129). This is another example of their twisting of the Scriptures to prove their own doctrine. The Greek word "presbyter" does not mean "priest" and no reputable Greek scholar has ever rendered it as such. The word simply means "an old man, an elder." He had to have "believing children" (Titus 1:6), and, thus, only older men were qualified.

Catholic officials in their translations of Scripture insert the word "priest" into verses where it does not belong. In the Catholic Rheims Version, Acts 14:23 is translated, "And when they had ordained to them priests in every church..." All reputable Versions of the Scriptures, the King James, New King James, American Standard, New American Standard, etc., render this verse, "And when they had ordained elders in every church..." The word used in the verse is "presbuteros," which mean "elders" and not the word "hiereus" which is "priests." When one checks all the Greek texts, he finds that no variations exist; each contain the word "presbuteros." We can only conclude, therefore, that the Catholic Hierarchy inserted the word "priest" when the word "hiereus" wasn't there!

1 Tim. 5:17,19 - "Let the priests that rule well, be esteemed worthy of double honor...Against a priest receive not an accusation, but under two or three witnesses." (Catholic Rheims Version). This is another devious attempt to give Scriptural support to the Catholic priesthood. In both of the foregoing verses, the word "priest," singular or plural, is a mis-translation. The Greek text used the word "presbuteros" in one of its forms which is correctly rendered, "elder" or "elders."

James 5:14 - "Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priest of the church..." (Catholic Rheims Version). Again, the word "presbuteros" is the term used and "elders" is the correct translation. It is abundantly clear that the Catholic Church will stoop to any level, even to the changing of the Word of God, in order to sustain its priesthood.

To summarize regarding New Testament bishops or elders, God commanded that a plurality of them be chosen and appointed in each local church (Acts 14:23; Acts 20:17,28). They had to be married men (1 Tim. 3:2) with believing children (Titus 1:6) and were to oversee only one church (1 Pet. 5:2). These are the only bishops ordained by God in the New Testament and, thus, are the only type which exist with His authority and sanction.

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New Testament Bishops
Qualifications for New Testament bishops are clearly disclosed in 1 Tim. 3:1-7 and Titus 1:5-9. New Testament bishops, first of all, had to be married men. 1 Tim. 3:2 says, "It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behavior, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher..." (Catholic Rheims Translation). "Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife..." (1 Tim. 3:2; Catholic Revised Standard Version). Also, a bishop had to rule his own house well, having his children in subjection (1 Tim. 3:4-5).

Secondly, the New Testament reveals that bishops are overseers of the local congregations. They were to be selected by each local church. They were to be "proved" or "tried" in view of the qualifications as were the deacons (1 Tim. 3:10). Deacons had no authority but were to "serve" in the local churches (1 Tim. 3:8-13). Once the bishops were selected, they were to oversee the local congregations wherein they had been chosen and ordained. Peter said to the bishops, "Tend the flock of God which is among you..." (1 Pet. 5:2). This was the extent of their oversight--overseeing only one church.

Thirdly, the New Testament disclosed that there was always a plurality of bishops in each local church. Acts 14:23 says, "In each church they installed presbyters and, with prayer and fasting, commended them to the Lord in whom they had put their faith." (New Catholic Translation). There are three passages in the New Testament which use the terms "presbyter" (elder) and "bishop" (overseer) interchangeably--Titus 1:5-9; Acts 20:17,28; 1 Pet. 5:1-2. Consequently, the terms refer to the same office which God placed in the local churches, and without exception there were always more than one in each church.

In summary, God commanded that a plurality of bishops be chosen and appointed in each local church (Acts 14:23). They had to be married men (1 Tim. 3:2) with believing children (Titus 1:6) and were to oversee only one church (1 Pet. 5:2). These are the only bishops ordained by God in the New Testament and, thus, are the only type which exist with His authority and sanction.

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Present Day Hierarchy
The New Testament plainly reveals that a great corruption from the simple form of government which God ordained would slowly develop (1 Tim. 4:1-3; 2 Tim. 4:3-4; 2 Thess. 2:1-11; Acts 20:28-31). The book entitled, My Catholic Faith lists the many offices in the present day hierarchy of the Catholic church.

"1. In organization the Church is like a vast army; the Pope, its visible head, is commander-in-chief of this army.
"2. Cardinals, appointed by the Pope, are his principal advisers and assistants in the government of the Church.
"3. Patriarch is a bishop who holds the highest rank after the Pope, in jurisdiction.
"4. An archbishop is the head of an archdiocese; a bishop of a diocese...
"5. Legates, nuncious, internucious, and apostolic delegates are representatives of the Holy Father.
"6. Titular archbishops and bishops are those who hold the title of a see that formerly existed.
"7. Honorary prelates are those with a title, but without jurisdiction." (My Catholic Faith, p. 129).
None of the above offices in the Catholic Church are mentioned in the New Testament of Christ. As we have shown, the New Testament does specify "bishops," but they in no way resembled present day Catholic bishops. There was always a plurality of men chosen and appointed in each local church (Acts 14:23). They had to be married men (1 Tim. 3:2) with believing children (Titus 1:6) and were to oversee only one church (1 Pet. 5:2). All of the above mentioned Catholic offices were slowly developed over a period of several hundred years. The following Catholic sources freely admit this.

"The divine institution of the threefold hierarchy cannot of course be derived from our text; in fact it cannot in anyway be proved directly from the New Testament; it is a Catholic dogma by virtue of the dogmatic tradition, i.e., in a later period of ecclesiastical history the general belief in the divine institutions of the episcopate, presbyteriate, and diaconate can be verified and thence followed on through the centuries. But the dogmatic truth cannot be traced back to Christ Himself by analysis of strict historical testimony." (Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. VII, p. 334).
"The word (hierarchy, DJR) first occurs in the work of pseudo-Dionysis on Celestial and Ecclesiastical Hierarchies. The signification was gradually modified until it came to be what it is at the present. A hierarchy now signifies a body of officials disposed organically in ranks and orders, each subordinate to the one above it." (Catholic Dictionary, p. 402).
"In his (Paul's, DJR) opinion the words (presbuteros and episkopos, DJR) were at one time used one for the other, but there has been a gradual adaptation of names corresponding with the progressive evolution of the hierarchy..." (A Catholic Commentary, p. 1144).
"Some parts of the governmental system of the Catholic Church are of divine origin; and many of them are human institutions." (Externals of the Catholic Church, p. 19).
Consequently, the present hierarchy of the Catholic Church was not ordained by Christ. All the modern offices in Catholicism were developed over a period of many centuries by men who had no regard or respect for God's arrangement. With this thought in mind, consider the absurdity of the following "official" claims.

"History proves conclusively that the same doctrines were in the Church from the beginning." (Catholic Facts, p. 209).
"Has the Catholic Church ever changed its teaching? No, for 2,000 years the Church has taught the same thing which Jesus taught." (A Catechism For Adults, p. 57).
"It is a historical fact that the Catholic Church, from the twentieth century back to the first, has not once ceased to teach a doctrine on faith or morals previously held, and with the same interpretation; the Church has proved itself infallible." (My Catholic Faith, p. 145).

"JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN! ANG DIYOS AY ESPIRITU HINDI REBULTO! NO TO CORRUPTION AND CRIME! PILIPINAS SA PAGBABAGO!" -BAPTIST CH. PH.

03-19-19 01:14 PM
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03-23-19 05:03 PM
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THE CHIEF EXROCIST SAY THE DEVIL IS IN VATICAN... Father Gabriele Amorth said people who are possessed by Satan vomit shards of glass and pieces of iron. He added that the assault on Pope Benedict XVI on Christmas Eve by a mentally unstable woman and the sex abuse scandals which have engulfed the Church in the US, Ireland, Germany and other countries, were proof that the Anti-Christ was waging a war against the Holy See. "The Devil resides in the Vatican and you can see the consequences," said Father Amorth, 85, who has been the Holy See's chief exorcist for 25 years. "He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, or even appear to be sympathetic. At times he makes fun of me. But I'm a man who is happy in his work." While there was "resistance and mistrust" towards the concept of exorcism among some Catholics, Pope Benedict XVI has no such doubts, Father Amorth said. "His Holiness believes wholeheartedly in the practice of exorcism. He has encouraged and praised our work," he added. The evil influence of Satan was evident in the highest ranks of the Catholic hierarchy, with "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus and bishops who are linked to the demon," Father Amorth said. In a rare insight into the world of exorcism, the Italian priest told La Repubblica newspaper that the 1973 film The Exorcist gave a "substantially exact" impression of what it was like to be possessed by the Devil. People possessed by evil sometimes had to be physically restrained by half a dozen people while they were exorcised. They would scream, utter blasphemies and spit out sharp objects, he said. "From their mouths, anything can come out – pieces of iron as long as a finger, but also rose petals," said Father Amorth, who claims to have performed 70,000 exorcisms. "When the possessed dribble and slobber, and need cleaning up, I do that too. Seeing people vomit doesn't bother me. The exorcist has one principal duty - to free human beings from the fear of the Devil." The attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II by a Turkish gunman in 1981 and recent revelations of "violence and paedophilia" committed by Catholic priests against children in their care was also the work of the Devil, said Father Amorth, who has written a book about his vocation, Memoirs of an Exorcist, which was published recently. Father Amorth, who is the president of the Association of Exorcists and fought as a partisan during the war, has previously claimed that both Hitler and Stalin were possessed by the Devil. In an interview with Vatican Radio in 2006, he said: "Of course the Devil exists and he can not only possess a single person but also groups and entire populations. "I am convinced that the Nazis were all possessed. All you have to do is think about what Hitler and Stalin did." He also condemned the Harry Potter books, saying they were dangerous because they dabbled in the occult and failed to draw a clear distinction between "the Satanic art" of black magic and benevolent white magic. [You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login]
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03-26-19 08:19 PM
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the devils are everywhere to victimize anyone.

even Jesus is not exempted from temptation.

Vatican pa kaya.

for testing today if working